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Our 8U softball coach berates & belittles the girls.

by Lisa
(Oklahoma)

I am writing to ask for some advice on what I should do about my daughter's softball coaches. It is a husband & wife team, and now, even the wife is tearing down these 8 & 9 year old girls. Let me also say that I think this is their first year to actually coach, though their daughter has been on teams before.

First, the husband is a bully. I've even seen his wife cringe and hurry up to please him when he is mad. He has made his own daughter on first base stand there and cry. He made a little girl, whose first year it was, run to a tree and back for not paying attention, like he said he would, but he then only verbally chastised everyone else at the same time. She has asthma and had to have help getting back and then she never came back.

This coach is always yelling at the girls, "You HAVE to catch the ball" "You have to make good throws. That's what killed us the last time & there's no reason you can't make good throws..." He says things like, "I didn't teach you to do it that way; that's not the way you do it...

He has an assistant coach who has coached before and I've heard people say he'd never coach their kids again. But my daughter actually likes him and he does not make it sound like "YOU IDIOT" when he talks to the girls. He has had a lot of success teaching the to bat; he's been really good at it.

Our "real" coach hasn't taught the girls anything unless it happens to come up. Then he yells at them for doing it wrong, when he has never taught them how to do it in the first place. There are some kids whose first time it is to play ball. My daughter is one and she loved it at first, even practice.

Today, the coach told her if she dug one more hole with her foot, in the outfield, she was going to sit on the bench. I didn't even know it but she cried to herself when she got back to the dugout. She hasn't missed a ball coming to her, except when it rolls on through her legs (-: because she was digging holes. She is very smart and easily bored and uses her toe to "mark" her spot when they play outfield. They threw her out there without any training/teaching at all and they stand there and yell, "MOVE OVER" if she isn't where she should be, in that same "YOU IDIOT" tone.

The wife had been nicer until the last few games, especially one we lost. Today she decided on the spur of the moment that she wouldn't give the girls stickers for their helmets just for getting a hit; they had to be safe on 1st, too. I spoke up and told the girls that they did great even if they were out on 1st and asked her if she needed me to buy her some more stickers. She said no, it's just that it's later in the season and it's a reward and "shrug" they need to earn it. I told her she needed to tell the girls that then so they didn't think they were getting punished for hitting the ball, now. Then, the husband started talking about paying attention, and snatched my daughter's visor out of her hands (she was sitting front & center where she always does because she wants to learn) because she was adjusting it and said see what I mean about paying attention. I could see him seething while I was putting my two cents in about the stickers. He then jerked her helmet away from her when she was fiddling with that, while many of the other girls were eating their snacks, fiddling with the chip bags, while he was talking. He did it because he was mad at me. He made her feel like she was just a very bad person. Oh, and, they might just have to make them start running laps as punishment for playing so badly.



Am I wrong, or don't many of the outs occur at first base in the Majors????????????

I asked my daughter if she thought that the reason she was out at first was because she didn't run fast enough, and she said yes. I told her, NO, it's because they fielded the ball well and got it to first before she got there.

They told the girls today, after they lost, that they didn't know if they could keep coaching if the girls didn't give more than they are giving. They berated then for a full 15 minutes, at least, the husband telling all the girls that he was only there because he loved the game and he thought they could win, but he has to be at work at 3 am so he's tired and if they didn't put out more effort he didn't know if he could keep coaching them. They told the girls that the team they played wasn't even a good team and they should not have lost that game.

The other team fielded the ball better than I've seen many of these teams do this year. They really did a great job at it. Our girls lost because the other team shut down their running game. They were better than them and isn't that how it's going to be throughout their "careers"?

They always tell the girls that if they will just listen to them they will win every game. That has always bugged me. I told my daughter that even a professional bowler cannot get a strike EVERY, EVERY time. I asked her if she thought they lost because they were bad. She said yes, again, and again I said, "NO!' You lost because the other team played better today.

We paid to register, we paid for uniforms, we pay $2 a game to get in...I wanted her to stick it out; I told her that we would practice and practice and she would make them eat all their words -- the best revenge. After writing this, I am thinking, what am I thinking? They've been this way from the beginning, are they going to change? No! QUIT!

I hate this because she ABSOLUTELY LOVED the game when we first started. But will she hate it forever if we don't quit? And I won't quit without bringing these things to the attention of SOMEBODY in authority. I am having trouble figuring out who that would be, but I will. I think we should ask for our money back or a transfer to another team. Or we should stick it out so she can play next year, on another team, without these adults talking about her behind her back.....

What would you do?

Please, Please give me your honest opinion. I will weigh it with all the other info I am finding in my research on what makes a good coach. So, far, what I have read points in exactly the opposite direction from our coaches.

Thank You!

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Our 8U softball coach berates & belittles the girls.

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May 09, 2012
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by: Anonymous

I can tell you that I too am having a bad coach season. This particular coach made my daughter sit the bench almost an entire game for missing a practice. I had never heard of this rule before. I have noticed several girls missing practices since then and not one has had to sit out for it. I have complained and so far no replies. This coach makes girls do push ups during practice for "not paying attention" what a jerk. I know the unhappiness and feeling of "no control" my daughter still wants to play so we havent quit, it is almost over. However if your instincts tell you something isn't quite right in the beginning you should quit, or change teams. I have quit going to games or practices for my own sanity. WHAT FUN!! I hate the coach.

Jul 17, 2011
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its only a game...
by: Anonymous

I am an assistant coach on my daughter's 10u travel softball team. Our head coach takes things a little too far as well. We have four coaches on this team and I am the only one who doesn't yell at the girls. We consistantly lose games by one run and I believe that it's because they are afraid to take chances and make mistakes. The one game when this coach was not there (suspension), we won big, and there was no yelling or berating. The girls went all out in that game and had fun. I like to win...but not at the expense of little girls who love to play ball. After all, it's only a game...

Jun 03, 2011
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Gives Coaches a Bad Name.
by: Coach Shawn

I didn't read all the comments here but I am a headcoach for a U8 team and I would NEVER talk to any of my girls that way. And I have never seen a coach in my area talk that way either. It is all about positive re-enforcement at this age. Keep them encouraged and try to keep their interest so they play year after year.

This coach is a jerk and should not be coaching at all. I would go to the league representative and file a complaint. i would encourage other parents to follow your lead.
Then attend the next years first meeting and let them know that your child will NOT be playing for someone like him and if he is coaching you will take your child ( and entry fees ) to another league. Or if you have no other league i would let them know that you will be putting a letter to the editor in the paper about this crappy league that allows coaches to berrate 8 yr old girls.

Jun 03, 2011
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Gives Coaches a Bad Name.
by: Anonymous

I didn't read all the comments here but I am a headcoach for a U8 team and I would NEVER talk to any of my girls that way. And I have never seen a coach in my area talk that way either. It is all about positive re-enforcement at this age. Keep them encouraged and try to keep their interest so they play year after year.

This coach is a jerk and should not be coaching at all. I would go to the league representative and file a complaint. i would encourage other parents to follow your lead.
Then attend the next years first meeting and let them know that your child will NOT be playing for someone like him and if he is coaching you will take your child ( and entry fees ) to another league. Or if you have no other league i would let them know that you will be putting a letter to the editor in the paper about this crappy league that allows coaches to berrate 8 yr old girls.

Feb 28, 2011
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Looking for a positive environment for my 8 year old softballer
by: jlkauley@yahoo.com

Lisa, I am looking for a team for my 8 year old daughter and I surely do not want to sign up on a team where the coach treats the girls like how you described. Of course, I myself know little about softball but my husband played all during his youth and wants his daughter to enjoy sports as well. I would be most appreciative if you would email me and let me know who this man is so I know which coach to avoid signing her up with.
Thanks for sharing your experience, and I'm sorry that your family had to deal with people like that.

Nov 24, 2010
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Switch Teams
by: Coach -C

I was assistant coach for my daughters 8U (Fall Instructional Coach Pitch) Softball team. I began assisting because the Manager and other coach knew nothing about coaching or softball. There method of teaching was yelling. I could tell that many girls were new to the game so this approach which never works would definitly not work with this team.

I decided to step in and asked to assist because I know the game and played it at all levels into semi-pro baseball. I slowly began taking over the practices and coaching strategies by positive reinforcement and repetition. We went from a team that the first few games lost every game only scoring a run or two, to a team that started winning most games and scoring almost 6 runs every inning. It's amazing what positive reinforcement and not yelling does for a team.

All was going well until one game I had a run in with the assistant coach that finalized my decision to move my daughter to another team after the Fall Season was over. One game we were on defense, there were 2 outs and only 1 runner at 2nd base. My daughter is playing 3rd base and a slow roller is hit to her. The Yeller yells "tag, tag" right when she was about to throw the ball to first. She of course stops her throw and starts looking around for a runner. By then it was too late to run to 3rd to tag the runner or throw to 1st. I was mad at the coach for a couple of reasons first for yelling at my daughter. Second, with two outs the play is always at 1st base (that's fundamentals). After the inning was over I went to him and said he needs to stop yelling it only causes confusion and with 2 outs the play is always at 1st. He said no one was yelling. He was oblivious to the fact that he yelled at her because he's so used to yelling all the time.

When Fall Season ended I approached another coach that my daughter played with his daughter in 6U All Stars and asked if they had any openings on his team. It was tough to change teams because my daughter developed a bond with many other players and was having fun and playing great. I know I made the right decision to move her to another team.

Sorry for the long reply, but this touched home for me. I stepped in and assisted when I saw the need, and I changed teams when I saw the need. Bottom line is as the adult you know what is best for your kid and for you. No one should yell at their kids or anyone else's kids especially at such a young impressionable age.

Good Luck... Coach -C

May 19, 2010
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Coaching is an art
by: SoCal 8/u MGR

You didn't mention if this was a "rec" league, Allstar or traveling team. If it is a regular rec-ball team, that coach is not only an idiot, but should be berrated for his ignorant approach to coaching in a "fun" league. If it is Allstars, I have some sympathy for him and understand what he is trying to accomplish, although I totally disagree with his demeanor and attitude. If it is a travel-ball team, you need to realize what you and your daughter signed up for.

If this was my daughters rec-ball coach, I would first have a directly worded discussion expressing like you did in your post. If that didn't work and/or he directed negativity to my daughter because of my efforts, I would ask the BOD to mediate an outcome immediately that both parties could live with. If that didn't work, I definitely wouldn't support that league in any way, shape or form. UNLESS, it bothered me so much that I took the time to become a coach or board member myself. Just like in real life, if you don't like something, do your best to change it or find a way to deal with it.

Mar 26, 2010
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Switch Teams
by: Anonymous

Im a player, and i have been in your daughters situation. My advice is to switch teams because chances are, its not going to get better.

When your daughter, if she continues to play, gets to higher level you will want to be on a team that the coaches discipline the girls when they make a mistake. But when your daughter is 8 or 9 years old, its all about fun and definantly not on winning, and serious practices and running and stuff. You guys should be doing fun drills. And VERY minimal yelling.

Feb 14, 2010
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Just Wanted to Let You All Know
by: Lisa

Hi. Thank you so much for taking the time to give me your advice. Gratefully, my daughter is VERY smart and was able to accept the fact that this coach was an awful coach and should never treat them like he did but she wanted to play so badly that she asked to stick it out.

We were ostrasized a bit by the coaches, parents & players but there were a few that still treated her as a friend, so it wasn't as horrible as it could have been.

The league didn't do ANYTHING about the jerk but it sounds as if that is pretty much the norm.

SHE DID GET A 2ND PLACE TROPHY out of the season, but LET ME TELL YOU WHAT THIS IDIOT DID.

We found out that my daughter could bunt like a maniac. She was awesome at it. At the end of one of the innings, they didn't have her bunt when I thought she should have but was informed that when it is going on the 3rd strike with 2 outs already you are not allowed to bunt.

Okay, so, it is the last inning, we're down one run. We have 2 outs and the girl batting has two strikes. He calls for her to bunt, betting that the ump won't catch him -- he admitted this!!!! Oh, the ump caught it IMMEDIATELY, so instead of striking out or possibly getting a hit, we lost the game right there because he tried to CHEAT!!!!
AND THEN ADMITTED IT!!!

I know I shouldn't have been surprised and really wasn't. I just felt even more justified in KNOWING he was simply an ass in general, not just as a coach.

This year I have decided we are just going to commute the 30 miles to civilization (we moved to hicksville a couple of years ago) to play. One of her friends who still lives in civilization has played on their league for several years and hasn't had any problems. It will be a bit of an added burden but these rednecks are driving me crazy on and off the field.

Sorry if you're from a small town. It's not all small towns but in this one of a pop of maybe 300, they still use the N word and talk like they never attended an english class, ever! We do live in my grandma's old house, little rent and lots of room for my daughter's animals but even that sometimes doesn't seem to be enough!

Thank you ALL again or should I say, "y'all" since I'm in Rome...I would have taken her off the team if I didn't think she could deal with the jerk with my support or if things had become worse.

Thanks!

Lisa

Feb 13, 2010
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MHO
by: Anonymous

Alright, this is a situation that I've seen occur myself.

The best way to handle this is approach your commissioner or the board of directors. Go over the coach's head, have other parents to support you if possible. Talking to this guy isn't going to do a damn bit of good, honestly.

That being said, I'd personally be inclined to stick it out. I've been through my fair share of bad coaches and my fair share of great ones, however, I'm much much older that your daughter. I know that I'm not going to let one person ruin the game for me. At this age, the coaches can really make it or break it for the kids. I've helped with the younger girls in my area before and I know that you have to talk to them in a ton of voice that is appropriate for my age. When I hit the field with the 10U team, I can't explain things the same way that my Varsity coach does and I can't expect them to know anything.

We don't have an 8U. You have to expect those girls to know NOTHING and explain to them EVERYTHING in language they will understand. That's something I'm still working on, being as I'm an English nut, but the girls know to stop me and to have me explain it again.

I hope that you can take some sort of action about this, because I'd hate to see them ruin softball for a group of little girls.

Dec 08, 2009
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SWITCH TEAMS!!!!!
by: Lulu

If I were you then I would switch teams because everyone will make mistakes once in their life. Amd let the younger age girls engoy it while they can because once you hit 10u it is totally different!!!!!!I would not let my daughter go through that every weekend!!!!!

Lulu

Aug 25, 2009
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sad story
by: Coach Alan

This is indeed a sad story that, unfortunately, I have seen repeated many times. You basically have two options here. Approach your league BOD with other parents and voice your concerns. If the BOA is doesn't have the guts to remove this guy as coach, or if the other parents don't have the guts to stand with you, then get your daughter off that team...not at the end of the season but NOW!! Normally, I am an advocate of sticking with season committments but there are certain limits and this is one of them. There is absolutely no place for that type of behavior at any level...let alone in 8U. The really bad thing with these situations is that girls, who are quite good players with a lot of potential and ability to learn, never return to the game because of of a coach! DO NOT let this happen to your daughter! Best of luck - Coach Alan

Jul 24, 2009
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Coaching Style
by: Coach Tim

I have coached at every level of little league for boys and girls fastpitch. Berating a player NEVER works at any level. While you might get some immediate results, it will destroy your team in the long term. One thing all coaches must keep in mind is that you must coach boys and girls differently. Boys tend to focus on the end result such as how they did individually or how the team did as a whole. Girls are all about how the feel. If they lost but feel good about how they played--then it is a postiive experience for them. Boys are all about the end result. My three goals as a coach have always been 1) Teach the kids how to play the game 2) Teach sportsmanship on and off the field and 3) Have fun! My ultimate goal is to give the kids a love of the game and have all of them return for another season:)

Jul 13, 2009
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JUST LISTEN
by: Larri

I may not be smart but my dad is a coach and one thing that makes him good is he listens to our opion and then NICLEY corrects our mistakes

Jun 26, 2009
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same idea but with a soccer coach
by: Anonymous

We're going through similar problems with our girls soccer coach,, she punishes the girls if they are late by making them run laps before games and practices,, we have complained and it seems right now that the league is doing nothing to help.. this is a recreational league where the girls are supposed to be learning skills and having fun,, but they are doing niether.. I dont know what you should do. because we've complained and its reached closed ears....

Jun 25, 2009
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What to do
by: Steve

My daughter has been playing for years, and a coach tried to pick her up that berates the kids, my response was no! You have spent a lot of energy detailing the events happening on your daughters team, and might I add, in great detail. It seems to me like you really know what to do, but are hesitant to do it. Your daughter needs to experience the greatest game out there in a manner that generates a desire to continue on. GET HER OFF THAT TEAM and on one that is led b a good coach! Do what you ALREADY know your gut is telling you! Good luck!

Jun 22, 2009
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find a new team
by: Anonymous

that fact is that most parents have known idea how to coach sports. i would say that 90% of coaches are clue less, believe me i have seen it all. in fact i was one of those clue less parents, looking back i thought i knew what i was doing, even those i was the best softball coach it the league i was still terrible. it took me about 5yrs of research and watching my daughter reacieve private lessons to understand what it real takes to be a coach.
i would tell your daughter that coaches shouldn't act that way and when the seasons is all over go to the board with your complaints and make them put your daughter on another team for next year. look around find out who the best coach is and demand that she is on his team. honestly they probably are all terrible but at least you can find someone who treats the kid wright.

Jun 19, 2009
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What to Do
by: Anonymous

My advice to you is really very simple. I agree with your concerns but unfortunately when it comes down to it you are the one that must change things not your coach. If you discuss your concerns with some of the other parents, the word will quickly get out that you are "THE" parent that is the problem on the team. What I mean is that you need to find another team for your daughter to play on before she losses interest in the game. Just quietly leave and find another team for the following year for her to play on. Girls adapt well to change very well especially at younger ages. They make friends quickly in any atmosphere. Find her another team to play on and move on.

Jun 15, 2009
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Change Teams
by: Rhonda S

First of all I commend you and your daughter for sticking with it. Secondly--what ever league she is in--there are officials--ask the umpires who is in charge of the coaches and get a name, number email whatever. Explain to them just like you did here what is going on and how they treat the girls. Tell them to come to the games to see for themselves. Also--there should be a league official (not only the umpires) on the grounds somewhere--ask around--trust me you never know who will tell you where they are but you will find an official or VP or commissioner or someone--on the grounds. Last, Good luck with your daughter--you did in right in explaining to her that they are not bad--however if they need more practice--and if you or other parents are available and want to help coach--by all means sign up--you will have a blast!

Jun 15, 2009
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GET HIM OUT!!!!
by: Anna

Well, first of all, your daughter is in the 8u league??? He shouldn't even be able to yell at them like that!
Second of all, i believe that you and the oter parents should get together and figure out a way to get him kicked out of the league. Even if it means that one of you has to become coach. That what happened with me. My old coach was so mean that even if we won, he would give us a lecture abut how terrible we were and made us feel so bad about ourselves. So my father got together with all the ther parents and they got the coach out. Now my dad is my coach and has been for four years. I may only be 12, but I've probably gone through everything plus some of what your daughter has and will go through.
Trust me on this, you have to get him out of there before he crushes everybodys spirits and they never play again.




Hope I helped.

Jun 13, 2009
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Time for him to go
by: Coach Buck

It sounds like this Coach's behavior is suspect at any level...find a way to get rid of him.

At the 8u level, it should be all about teaching fundamentals, and showing the girls how to have fun with this great game...not how to win...not now anyway. We don't even keep score in our county 8u program.

My question? How many good future softball players have been discouraged, and will never play the game again.

My advice: Find a way to get rid of him, and be ready to step up and volunteer your own time to take over and do it right. It's easy to complain,as right as you are, but unless you are willing to contribute to make things better, complaining will get you nothing. Hey, you have your daughter to think about and all those other beautiful little girls to think about.

Make a difference in their lives. I believe in you. Git R Done Coach!!

Coach Buck

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